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Deletion of book by Amazon / Violation Content Guidelines


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Posted on Dec 14, 2010, 8:03:33 PM PST
Honey Bee says:
Well it looks like they have put back Babysitting the Baumgartner because it comes up when you do a book search, but it does not give me an Instant Order Update showing that I've already got it, and I can't access throught my Manage Your Kindle list. It's on my list but the link takes me to "Looking for something? We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site"... So if I lose it on my Kindle, no more free downloading it again... SO wrong!

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 10:42:31 AM PST
Shannara says:
Amazon violated a court order by removing already purchased books from the kindle. There are many legal avenues to pursue.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2010, 11:06:52 AM PST
CLS10 says:
I'm sure if you call and explain to CS the situation, they will rectify it.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2010, 11:13:09 AM PST
CLS10 says:
Businesses can censor reading material. It's a violation of the 1st amendment for the GOVERNMENT to infringe upon free speech. Private entities, such as Amazon, can legally do this with a few exceptions.

And, like someone mentioned, it's the combined power of the Commerce clause plus the 14th amendment that makes it illegal for businesses to discriminate based on race.

Comparing these two scenarios is an apples/oranges thing.

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 11:28:15 AM PST
Bridget Ruth says:
Anyone else notice that a lot of the free books today were erotica? Its not my cup of tea, so I didn't download any, so not sure about underage/incest content (though I know at least one was about a gay relationship and one was three ways) but it was an interesting coincidence . . .

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2010, 11:38:39 AM PST
King Al says:
@Shannara: I don't believe they did that this time. As far as I know, they just removed the books from their servers, NOT peoples's Kindles. Big difference.

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 11:49:28 AM PST
Shannara says:
@ Albert P. Yang: According to posts in this thread, they also removed the books from the kindles/archives. They literally disregarded a court order.

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 11:53:03 AM PST
Bridget Ruth says:
Actually, if you read the posts, I'm pretty sure they only deleted them from archives, which is because they deleted them from the servers. They didn't actually go into Kindles and delete books from the home page . . .

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 12:10:32 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 15, 2010, 12:11:13 PM PST
Shannara says:
@Bridget: my bad, you are correct, I mis-read.

On another note. Amazon have made it clear over and over again that they do not want people buying Kindles (DRM, theft, refusal to obey own guidelines, etc). Just buy a tablet, buy an ebook, free it, and don't worry about these problems.

As for authors, I (and many I know) have published elsewhere, specifically prohibiting our works being listed on Amazon. Better safe then sorry.

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 12:31:41 PM PST
When someone found something that was rumoured to promote pedophilia, people screamed for it to be removed, banned, burned.
Those who said it was the first step on a slippery slope were shouted down.
Now people scream that ALL erotica should be removed, and Amazons starts to comply.
The same people who were all in favour of removing one book now complain about the removal of others... The slippery slope was entered some time ago, and you all cheered when it happened.
But now it's your books they're after, and you no longer like it so much I guess.

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 1:06:51 PM PST
Due to a technical issue, for a short window of time three books were temporarily unavailable for re-download by customers who had previously purchased them. When this was brought to our attention, we fixed the problem and those books were once again made available for re-download. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 1:15:31 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 15, 2010, 1:20:11 PM PST
Honeywell says:
I'm so disappointed in Amazon's decision to start pulling books based on content (especially after supporting them during the pedo book nonsense). But what pisses me off about it is the arbitrary way they're going about it.

It's absolutely Amazon's right to sell or not sell whatever they want but if they've decided censoring the books they sell is the way to go then they damn well need to pull ALL of them and not just the ones they think no one will care about. I've read Selena Kitt's books and yes, imo, they're stroke stories but so what? There is not one bit of difference between her books and a lot of the erotica and erotic romance offerings from Ellora's Cave, Siren, Samhain, Carina Press or any of the other epubs that make them a crap ton of money. Pick a stance and stick to it Amazon. Either you sell these "kinds" of books or you don't.

I'm so disappointed in Amazon's decision I'm tempted to return the Kindles and Roku I bought for gifts this year when I was feeling all warm and fuzzy towards Amazon--I won't, of course, because I'm lazy. But I'm not as happy with the gifts as I was just a few minutes ago.

ETA:
Oops! Does that mean I got all indignant too soon? I'm glad I didn't return any Christmas presents. lol

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2010, 1:16:45 PM PST
CLS10 says:
See, everyone is up in arms over a technical glitch. I wish people would take a wait and see approach and give Amazon some credit instead of crying wolf.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2010, 1:17:26 PM PST
"Dec. 15, 2010 12:31 PM PST J. T. Wenting says:
When someone found something that was rumoured to promote pedophilia, people screamed for it to be removed, banned, burned.
Those who said it was the first step on a slippery slope were shouted down.
Now people scream that ALL erotica should be removed, and Amazons starts to comply.
The same people who were all in favour of removing one book now complain about the removal of others... The slippery slope was entered some time ago, and you all cheered when it happened.
But now it's your books they're after, and you no longer like it so much I guess."

AMEN.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2010, 1:17:50 PM PST
"CLS10 says:
See, everyone is up in arms over a technical glitch. I wish people would take a wait and see approach and give Amazon some credit instead of crying wolf. "

Except that this was about more than three books.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2010, 1:26:04 PM PST
Ms. Jess says:
@ Amazon Kindle Customer Service: Thank you for the reply. I have one question: what are the titles of these three books?

Some of the ones mentioned on this thread were:

1) Wicked Lovely (Jess C Scott)
2) Under Mr. Nolan's Bed (Selena Kitt)
3) Mindy's Family (Esmeralda Green)

Did these books experience a technical glitch too? If so, when will these books be made available again for re-download? They (and many other self-published erotica books) are not available at the Kindle store at the time of this posting.

Jess.
www.jesscscott.com

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2010, 1:29:12 PM PST
I gather they didn't mean they were putting them up for sale again just that those who bought them could now redownload them.

New readers are just not going to be able to get them, is what I gather.

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 1:29:24 PM PST
reader says:
I wonder if Jess Scott or Selena Kitt can confirm what the official at Amazon has posted. Are your books being sold again, or has Amazon censored them permanently?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2010, 1:30:52 PM PST
I think they aren't for sale just for re-download hence they CS using the word "re-download".

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2010, 1:32:01 PM PST
CLS10 says:
I think the Amazon posting meant that they are available for re-download from the archives, not for reselling.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 15, 2010, 1:32:59 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 15, 2010, 1:34:48 PM PST
Ms. Jess says:
Hi Lynda, reader, anyone reading:

I'm not sure that either Selena Kitt/Esmeralda Greene/myself would be able to confirm what the official has posted (but I can try emailing to...customer service..."to clarify"...and they'll probably forward it to "the right department"...and possibly reply with the same form response above, or something similar).

I checked our books in question (Selena Kitt's, Esmeralda Greene's, and mine) -- not in Kindle store, and no explanation from Amazon yet. Not sure if they meant "now available for re-download from the archives." No idea which 3 books they are talking about too.

A cryptic message to decipher, hmm...

Jess.
www.jesscscott.com

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 1:53:57 PM PST
Guillaume says:
You've been featured on ArsTechnica and several other websites:
http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/12/amazons-latest-kindle-deletion-erotic-incest-themed-fiction.ars

This situations is starting to look like the 1984 affair. My opinion is, they're trying to pull the plug on this roar by settling on a "technical" disfunction.
If anyone got their books erased from their Kindles, I think Amazon would have to prove the rightfulness of this action, because they officially stated that they would not remove any content from the Kindles unless asked by a judge.

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 1:54:45 PM PST
Selena Kitt says:
This is Amazon's version of "damage control." They know more people are going to be up in arms about the removal of books from the Kindle archives, and they have now restored those files under pressure, than people will be about not having the books available for purchase on their site any longer. Who is going to stand up for erotica on the site? First, you have to admit you purchase it. Of course - according to my sales and rankings for the removes titles, and for Jess's and Esme's, it's pretty darned clear that LOTS of people were purchasing them before they were banned from the site.

Amazon is saying, "Hey, look, we may be banning books, but your Kindle archives are safe for democracy!"

Believe it? Or not...

Selena

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 2:56:21 PM PST
I'm really curious about something---do book stores/retail stores HAVE to sell any book that comes down the pike? I mean doesn't Amazon get to choose what they sell?

Because I thought that this was a free country and thus one could choose to sell or not sell whatever one liked with no explanations necessary.

How did we get to be able to force a store, like Amazon, to carry something they don't WANT to carry? And if they should choose not to carry something or discontinue the sale of something, what makes it our duty to scream censorship?
Why do we even ASSUME its about censorship? Amazon is about the profits---if pricey, good, books about incest/pedophile/bestiality or whatever were profitable I'm sure they might sell it or keep selling it if there was enough outcry for it. IMO there are other reasons behind the pulling of these books.

Why do a lot of you see conspiracy behind every hedge?

Amazon is not a public library.

Posted on Dec 15, 2010, 2:58:48 PM PST
Selena Kitt says:
Amazon making a decision about what to put on their site is not the issue. TRANSPARENCY is the issue. Their content guidelines are vague and unclear. They have not been previously enforced on this particular issue. And they are not being clearly enforced now.
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